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		<title>By: ty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that you can increase your own intelligence. Look at the polgar sisters in chess. Their dad decided to test if you could create chess grandmasters and started them when they were young and they both became grandmasters, so this idea that women aren&#039;t &quot;spatial&quot; is probably wrong considering one of the sisters beat the greatest of all time,  kasparov, more than once I think.
Also just look at all else in life, more practice makes perfect. So I&#039;m stupid in math but I could start thinking in concepts like square roots etc as if it&#039;s a language if I studied it for a while I&#039;m sure. And I&#039;m not talking about becoming more familiar with the subject alone, I&#039;m talking about training my brain to be a genius in math.
Intelligence can be broken down into three categories that I see:
a. speed
b. depth
c. creative intelligence

I leave memory out because it&#039;s not the same subject I think.  Unless you&#039;re talking people with extreme amnesia, everybody&#039;s got enough of it.

Speed is measured by how fast you can duplicate X  amount of data.

Depth is measured by how many aspects and inferences you can grasp from X amount of data. It is not how much you can recombine data in new imaginative ways but it is close to that. This is from a postulate that there&#039;s a finite amount of directly related data you can grasp from the original &#039;X amount of data&#039; pool without going into imagination. This is a shaky point maybe though, but there must be a difference between creation and deep duplication. 

Creative intelligence is how imaginatively you can recombine data you created or perceived. High practical creative intelligence would be useful to innovation engineers for example. High impractical creative intelligence would involve artists (I think aesthetics is necessary) but the distinction is unnecessary once you got the idea.

There is another factor which might not be related to intelligence but to chronic emotional states or something, and that&#039;s &quot;Why do some people become interested in a subject (or life in general for that matter) and some not?&quot; So the factor is interest. But I have to think that if someone has an insane amount of creative intelligence than this would override their chronic boredom emotional level and so they&#039;d remain interested. Interest can also be heightened in medical science if you&#039;ve got cancer so maybe interest can boil down to necessity or necessity/creative intelligence ratio in a person.

Speed and depth can be improved with work and creative intelligence maybe can be improved but that&#039;s the one that&#039;s hardest to improve probably. And it&#039;s also the one that is most valuable because speed and depth genuises are a dime a dozen, hence &quot;Intuition is more important that knowledge&quot; -Einstein. Also &quot; Imagination is more important than knowledge&quot; -Einstein 

One last point is Einstein is wrong.
The correct message is &quot;Intuition is more important than knowledge if you can bring that intuition from the outer perimeter of your awareness into your center and turn it into a clear concept, so you can understand your own thought. Raw untapped intuition that stays totally foggy as an idea is useless.&quot; -me.

Also, I&#039;m hearing on radio that science is saying that the brain isn&#039;t even the source of thought, and that it&#039;s possibly only taking part in the after effect of the thought that you have, thus smarter animals have bigger brains. So an analogy is the nervous system doesn&#039;t give us pain, it&#039;s the after effect of some other cause giving us pain, it&#039;s a channel, and so is the brain a channel. One thought is &quot;what part the brain is looking at the pictures coming through the eye so you can see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that you can increase your own intelligence. Look at the polgar sisters in chess. Their dad decided to test if you could create chess grandmasters and started them when they were young and they both became grandmasters, so this idea that women aren&#8217;t &#8220;spatial&#8221; is probably wrong considering one of the sisters beat the greatest of all time,  kasparov, more than once I think.<br />
Also just look at all else in life, more practice makes perfect. So I&#8217;m stupid in math but I could start thinking in concepts like square roots etc as if it&#8217;s a language if I studied it for a while I&#8217;m sure. And I&#8217;m not talking about becoming more familiar with the subject alone, I&#8217;m talking about training my brain to be a genius in math.<br />
Intelligence can be broken down into three categories that I see:<br />
a. speed<br />
b. depth<br />
c. creative intelligence</p>
<p>I leave memory out because it&#8217;s not the same subject I think.  Unless you&#8217;re talking people with extreme amnesia, everybody&#8217;s got enough of it.</p>
<p>Speed is measured by how fast you can duplicate X  amount of data.</p>
<p>Depth is measured by how many aspects and inferences you can grasp from X amount of data. It is not how much you can recombine data in new imaginative ways but it is close to that. This is from a postulate that there&#8217;s a finite amount of directly related data you can grasp from the original &#8216;X amount of data&#8217; pool without going into imagination. This is a shaky point maybe though, but there must be a difference between creation and deep duplication. </p>
<p>Creative intelligence is how imaginatively you can recombine data you created or perceived. High practical creative intelligence would be useful to innovation engineers for example. High impractical creative intelligence would involve artists (I think aesthetics is necessary) but the distinction is unnecessary once you got the idea.</p>
<p>There is another factor which might not be related to intelligence but to chronic emotional states or something, and that&#8217;s &#8220;Why do some people become interested in a subject (or life in general for that matter) and some not?&#8221; So the factor is interest. But I have to think that if someone has an insane amount of creative intelligence than this would override their chronic boredom emotional level and so they&#8217;d remain interested. Interest can also be heightened in medical science if you&#8217;ve got cancer so maybe interest can boil down to necessity or necessity/creative intelligence ratio in a person.</p>
<p>Speed and depth can be improved with work and creative intelligence maybe can be improved but that&#8217;s the one that&#8217;s hardest to improve probably. And it&#8217;s also the one that is most valuable because speed and depth genuises are a dime a dozen, hence &#8220;Intuition is more important that knowledge&#8221; -Einstein. Also &#8221; Imagination is more important than knowledge&#8221; -Einstein </p>
<p>One last point is Einstein is wrong.<br />
The correct message is &#8220;Intuition is more important than knowledge if you can bring that intuition from the outer perimeter of your awareness into your center and turn it into a clear concept, so you can understand your own thought. Raw untapped intuition that stays totally foggy as an idea is useless.&#8221; -me.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m hearing on radio that science is saying that the brain isn&#8217;t even the source of thought, and that it&#8217;s possibly only taking part in the after effect of the thought that you have, thus smarter animals have bigger brains. So an analogy is the nervous system doesn&#8217;t give us pain, it&#8217;s the after effect of some other cause giving us pain, it&#8217;s a channel, and so is the brain a channel. One thought is &#8220;what part the brain is looking at the pictures coming through the eye so you can see.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna J. Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna J. Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that brain scans show that we use all of our brains. in the sense that all our neurons transmit signals. It is not as if physical parts of the brain lie dormant. However just as nine numbers can be combined in an infinite number of ways, so can neural responses. Also, music, learning a new language and many other experiences have been shown to in effect create new neural pathways over time. So when we talk about the brain&#039;s potential, the idea that most adults have achieved use of the 10% of what they could is probably a high estimate. Another thing to consider is that we know very little about the human brain&#039;s potential at this point in history. However anyone who knows anything about the human brain is in complete awe of it. As per Steven Pinker&#039;s &quot;How the Mind Works&quot;, babies can do certain things automatically, without being taught, that are nearly impossible to teach a machine to do. There is much that we don&#039;t understand yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that brain scans show that we use all of our brains. in the sense that all our neurons transmit signals. It is not as if physical parts of the brain lie dormant. However just as nine numbers can be combined in an infinite number of ways, so can neural responses. Also, music, learning a new language and many other experiences have been shown to in effect create new neural pathways over time. So when we talk about the brain&#8217;s potential, the idea that most adults have achieved use of the 10% of what they could is probably a high estimate. Another thing to consider is that we know very little about the human brain&#8217;s potential at this point in history. However anyone who knows anything about the human brain is in complete awe of it. As per Steven Pinker&#8217;s &#8220;How the Mind Works&#8221;, babies can do certain things automatically, without being taught, that are nearly impossible to teach a machine to do. There is much that we don&#8217;t understand yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Roderick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Roderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I agree that the idea that we use just 10% of our brain is ridiculous considering the lack  of understanding we have on how the brain functions, I think the analogy used that compares the human brain to a hammer is ridiculous.  A brain can do things like take information from one part of the body, analyze this information, determine an appropriate response and send the appropriate signals putting that response into action.  For example if an object is flying at your head, your eyes see this object and those signals are sent to the brain, and the brain analyzes what your eyes see and sends the appropriate signals to the appropriate parts of the body to make you duck.  A hammer doesn&#039;t take information from two boards and send a signal to a nail to fasten the two boards together.  A human brain, if compared to anything which is a stretch in itself, is most similar to a computer.  Well specifically the processor, hard drive, and RAM.  It stores permanent and short term information, and processes signals from the body.  It&#039;s very possible to use 10% of  a hard drive, 10% of RAM, and 10% of a processor in a computer.  Therefore it is very probably that you could only use 10% of your brain, but considering we don&#039;t really have an understanding of what 100% of our brain power could accomplish its not possible to know really how much of our brain we use.  Who is to say?  And furthermore I think it is entirely relative.  To think that Einstein or Edison used more of their brains that ordinary people is absurd.  A neanderthal may use 20% of it&#039;s brain to create the same fire that I can create using 1%.  It&#039;s not possible to measure, but if it was it would be relative to potential which is something that would differ from individual to individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I agree that the idea that we use just 10% of our brain is ridiculous considering the lack  of understanding we have on how the brain functions, I think the analogy used that compares the human brain to a hammer is ridiculous.  A brain can do things like take information from one part of the body, analyze this information, determine an appropriate response and send the appropriate signals putting that response into action.  For example if an object is flying at your head, your eyes see this object and those signals are sent to the brain, and the brain analyzes what your eyes see and sends the appropriate signals to the appropriate parts of the body to make you duck.  A hammer doesn&#8217;t take information from two boards and send a signal to a nail to fasten the two boards together.  A human brain, if compared to anything which is a stretch in itself, is most similar to a computer.  Well specifically the processor, hard drive, and RAM.  It stores permanent and short term information, and processes signals from the body.  It&#8217;s very possible to use 10% of  a hard drive, 10% of RAM, and 10% of a processor in a computer.  Therefore it is very probably that you could only use 10% of your brain, but considering we don&#8217;t really have an understanding of what 100% of our brain power could accomplish its not possible to know really how much of our brain we use.  Who is to say?  And furthermore I think it is entirely relative.  To think that Einstein or Edison used more of their brains that ordinary people is absurd.  A neanderthal may use 20% of it&#8217;s brain to create the same fire that I can create using 1%.  It&#8217;s not possible to measure, but if it was it would be relative to potential which is something that would differ from individual to individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Andras Varga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andras Varga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like those commercials in which you can get &quot;30% thicker hair&quot;, by using some product. You can&#039;t check that, can you? I&#039;m smarter than most of the people. I use 13,83% of my brain:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like those commercials in which you can get &#8220;30% thicker hair&#8221;, by using some product. You can&#8217;t check that, can you? I&#8217;m smarter than most of the people. I use 13,83% of my brain:)</p>
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		<title>By: siukong</title>
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		<dc:creator>siukong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember reading somewhere that this myth all started with a scientist in the early 20th century being misquoted in a newspaper article. Sadly though, I&#039;ve been unable to track down where I read this.

The results of brain damage show pretty irrevocably that we use ALL of our brain. One should also bear in mind that, being a complicated network of neurons, the brain is not split neatly into discrete functional compartments. This can make it difficult to determine just what a particular area does, but by no means does it signify uselessness.


-&quot;Nobody knows what part of the brain allows him to recognize that he is seeing a dog&quot;

To David, I would say we have at least a crude understanding of quite a bit more than 10% of the brain. And even though we may not know the exact area involved in your example, it&#039;s quite easy to explain given our brain&#039;s tendency to generalize and look for patterns. I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s the case with your son, but young children often use the label &#039;doggie&#039; quite loosely. It&#039;s usually an early-learned word and they often overgeneralize it to most four-legged creatures they see that resemble their rough mental image of a dog (similar to their overuse of the &quot;-ed&quot; past participle with different verbs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember reading somewhere that this myth all started with a scientist in the early 20th century being misquoted in a newspaper article. Sadly though, I&#8217;ve been unable to track down where I read this.</p>
<p>The results of brain damage show pretty irrevocably that we use ALL of our brain. One should also bear in mind that, being a complicated network of neurons, the brain is not split neatly into discrete functional compartments. This can make it difficult to determine just what a particular area does, but by no means does it signify uselessness.</p>
<p>-&#8221;Nobody knows what part of the brain allows him to recognize that he is seeing a dog&#8221;</p>
<p>To David, I would say we have at least a crude understanding of quite a bit more than 10% of the brain. And even though we may not know the exact area involved in your example, it&#8217;s quite easy to explain given our brain&#8217;s tendency to generalize and look for patterns. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s the case with your son, but young children often use the label &#8216;doggie&#8217; quite loosely. It&#8217;s usually an early-learned word and they often overgeneralize it to most four-legged creatures they see that resemble their rough mental image of a dog (similar to their overuse of the &#8220;-ed&#8221; past participle with different verbs).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no Neuroscientist (my wife is), so take this with agrain of salt.  

There are many functions that the brain performs which have been localized, either through the study of brain injuries or functional neuro-imaging.  There are however functions that have not yet been localized.  For example, when my 3 year old sees a dog, even one that is a different breed, color, shape, size, etc than all of the dogs to which he has previously been exposed, he knows what it is.  Nobody knows what part of the brain allows him to recognize that he is seeing a dog - so when someone says that you use only 10% of your brain I explain that and say, perhaps it is that we only understand what 10% of the brain is doing and the other 90% is doing the things which occur we don&#039;t know where.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no Neuroscientist (my wife is), so take this with agrain of salt.  </p>
<p>There are many functions that the brain performs which have been localized, either through the study of brain injuries or functional neuro-imaging.  There are however functions that have not yet been localized.  For example, when my 3 year old sees a dog, even one that is a different breed, color, shape, size, etc than all of the dogs to which he has previously been exposed, he knows what it is.  Nobody knows what part of the brain allows him to recognize that he is seeing a dog &#8211; so when someone says that you use only 10% of your brain I explain that and say, perhaps it is that we only understand what 10% of the brain is doing and the other 90% is doing the things which occur we don&#8217;t know where.</p>
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