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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good articles both, and thanks for putting them up.  I&#039;m in my twenties, but I was given a set of books from some family friends that included all the old fairy tales.  Later on, when I found alternate endings I wasn&#039;t aware of (like The Little Mermaid, which wasn&#039;t in my book set) I wasn&#039;t terribly surprised.  I think an added bonus of giving kids the original stories is that it increases their critical thinking abilities - I know I always had a (hopefully) healthy skepticism growing up.  Knowing that even fairy tales are subject to interpretation and rewriting may have had something to do with that.
I enjoyed Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, etc... they made me happy.  However, I remember being far more engaged and enthralled reading the alternate versions of those stories from that set of books, and how those stories stayed with me.  If someone hadn&#039;t beaten me to it, I could have told you that the poisoned comb came around from the Queen&#039;s second visit - and I haven&#039;t read that story in a decade or two.
It&#039;s not a fairy tale, necessarily, but I also remember being more enthralled by Alice in Wonderland - the book, rather than the Disney movie, even though certain scenes in the book outright scared the hell out of me.  That&#039;s not always a bad thing, and I&#039;d say it definitely sparks the imagination and mind more...
Anyway, thanks for the article again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good articles both, and thanks for putting them up.  I&#8217;m in my twenties, but I was given a set of books from some family friends that included all the old fairy tales.  Later on, when I found alternate endings I wasn&#8217;t aware of (like The Little Mermaid, which wasn&#8217;t in my book set) I wasn&#8217;t terribly surprised.  I think an added bonus of giving kids the original stories is that it increases their critical thinking abilities &#8211; I know I always had a (hopefully) healthy skepticism growing up.  Knowing that even fairy tales are subject to interpretation and rewriting may have had something to do with that.<br />
I enjoyed Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, etc&#8230; they made me happy.  However, I remember being far more engaged and enthralled reading the alternate versions of those stories from that set of books, and how those stories stayed with me.  If someone hadn&#8217;t beaten me to it, I could have told you that the poisoned comb came around from the Queen&#8217;s second visit &#8211; and I haven&#8217;t read that story in a decade or two.<br />
It&#8217;s not a fairy tale, necessarily, but I also remember being more enthralled by Alice in Wonderland &#8211; the book, rather than the Disney movie, even though certain scenes in the book outright scared the hell out of me.  That&#8217;s not always a bad thing, and I&#8217;d say it definitely sparks the imagination and mind more&#8230;<br />
Anyway, thanks for the article again!</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey love both fairytale articles. can you let me know what are the best books to find the originals. is there a collection? i want to read the full versions.

thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey love both fairytale articles. can you let me know what are the best books to find the originals. is there a collection? i want to read the full versions.</p>
<p>thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Snow White, the second time the Evil Queen/Witch tries to &#039;sell&#039; a comb to Snow White who eventually combs it through her hair and falls unconscious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Snow White, the second time the Evil Queen/Witch tries to &#8216;sell&#8217; a comb to Snow White who eventually combs it through her hair and falls unconscious.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I enjoyed reading your summaries on these tales very much (your commentaries are also amusing) 
Even though I had read most of the original stories here, I was blown away by the interpretations and psychological analyses at the end. They&#039;re very interesting and thought-provoking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I enjoyed reading your summaries on these tales very much (your commentaries are also amusing)<br />
Even though I had read most of the original stories here, I was blown away by the interpretations and psychological analyses at the end. They&#8217;re very interesting and thought-provoking!</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would love more of your classic fairy tales articles with details, thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would love more of your classic fairy tales articles with details, thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article, thank you so much. Do you know if the early versions of Brothers Grimm&#039;s tales can still be found? Especially Snow White and Bluebeard, I read about some more details relating to the original versions, and want to verify the contents. 

Some interesting points on Snow White retold by a modern illustrator: Snow White was well aware of her own beauty and used it to her own advantage; including her father&#039;s desire for her (which caused the mother jealousy and rage to kill her) when she was only seven. She was depicted to be a beautiful wicked child in nature. Also she knew the disguised witch was her own mother who despised her for growing more beautifully each day. Has anyone read this in the original versions? Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article, thank you so much. Do you know if the early versions of Brothers Grimm&#8217;s tales can still be found? Especially Snow White and Bluebeard, I read about some more details relating to the original versions, and want to verify the contents. </p>
<p>Some interesting points on Snow White retold by a modern illustrator: Snow White was well aware of her own beauty and used it to her own advantage; including her father&#8217;s desire for her (which caused the mother jealousy and rage to kill her) when she was only seven. She was depicted to be a beautiful wicked child in nature. Also she knew the disguised witch was her own mother who despised her for growing more beautifully each day. Has anyone read this in the original versions? Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to the English version of Mrs. de Villeneuve&#039;s story.  No elongated s!

http://books.google.com/books?id=f7ABAAAAQAAJ&amp;printsec=titlepage#PPA225,M1

and a link to many more versions of Beauty and the Beast:

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0425c.html

The Villeneuve’s tale is longer and excruciatingly detailed.  Those are the differences I found interesting:

Villeneuve: the merchant has 6 sons and 6 daughters
Beaumont: 3 sons and 3 daughters

Villeneuve: the merchant cuts a bunch of roses.  The beast appears (no description) and addresses reproaches to him, laying something looking like an elephant trunk on his collar.
Beaumont: The beast doesn’t touch him and there is no mention of his appendages.

Villeneuve: Beauty  arrives with her father to the castle.  The Beast eventually shows, announced by the enormous weight of his body, the clicking of his scales and his horrendous screams*.
Beaumont: Just footsteps herald his arrival.

Villeneuve: the Beast sends back the father, telling him never to come back, and tells la Belle to fill 2 coffers with presents for her family. La Belle first chose beautiful outfits, then sees more valuable things, removes the frocks and fills the coffers with golden coins and jewels for her sisters.  The father says that he will be able to hide his new treasure from everybody, including the rest of the family.
Beaumont: Beauty and her father fill the coffers with various things.

Villeneuve: first dinner with the Beast.  The Beast then  asks if she wants to sleep with him.  She refuses in a panic.
Beaumont: the Beast asks if she wants to marry him.

Villeneuve: Beauty finds a room featuring a real theater with human actors and spectators. She comes closer, and finds it is  a big crystal which reflects a show given from a nearby town (hey, TV!).
Beaumont: Beauty has a magic mirror, where she can see her family.

Villeneuve: Beauty comes back in her family for 2 months.  Her father explains how he hid he treasure from her siblings.  Then he tells her that next time the Beast asks, she must accepts to sleep with him and try to marry him.
Beaumont: returns for 8 days only, and the father did not hide the treasure.

Villeneuve: The sisters are not yet married, but Beauty brought more treasures and they are able to find husbands.
Beaumont: the sisters are unhappily married, jealous of Beauty, and plot to make her overstay.

Villeneuve: Beauty returns, finds the Beast dying, saves him, and in the evening, accepts to sleep with him.  Somehow they instantly become husband and wife.
They sleep (it seems they only do that) in the same bed, and lo and behold, when she wakes up the beautiful young man sleeps beside there.
Then the mother of the young man, who is the queen, arrives in a stag-drawn coach (??), and is mortified to learn that her daughter-in-law is the daughter of a merchant.   She is snobbish during many pages, until she learns that la Belle is actually the daughter of the good fairy’s sister.
Beaumont: Beauty accepts to marry the Beast when she finds him dying.  Immediate transmogrification.  The curse was put (without explaining why) on the prince by a bad fairy.  Then the good fairy turns the sisters into statues until they repent.

Villeneuve: in the following tale, the prince explains his predicament.  An old fairy wanted to marry him, he refused because she was old and ugly (reminds me something), she cursed him and what happened was the only way to remove the curse.  

Then a king arrives, who is the queen’s brother (hence the prince&#039;s uncle), and we learn he is also the father of Beauty.  This tale must have come all the way from Pharaohs’ Egypt.  I’m sure marriage between first cousins was forbidden when the tale was written.

There is much more in the second tale (over a hundred pages) mainly dealing with boring fairies politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to the English version of Mrs. de Villeneuve&#8217;s story.  No elongated s!</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=f7ABAAAAQAAJ&#038;printsec=titlepage#PPA225,M1" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=f7ABAAAAQAAJ&#038;printsec=titlepage#PPA225,M1</a></p>
<p>and a link to many more versions of Beauty and the Beast:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0425c.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0425c.html</a></p>
<p>The Villeneuve’s tale is longer and excruciatingly detailed.  Those are the differences I found interesting:</p>
<p>Villeneuve: the merchant has 6 sons and 6 daughters<br />
Beaumont: 3 sons and 3 daughters</p>
<p>Villeneuve: the merchant cuts a bunch of roses.  The beast appears (no description) and addresses reproaches to him, laying something looking like an elephant trunk on his collar.<br />
Beaumont: The beast doesn’t touch him and there is no mention of his appendages.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: Beauty  arrives with her father to the castle.  The Beast eventually shows, announced by the enormous weight of his body, the clicking of his scales and his horrendous screams*.<br />
Beaumont: Just footsteps herald his arrival.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: the Beast sends back the father, telling him never to come back, and tells la Belle to fill 2 coffers with presents for her family. La Belle first chose beautiful outfits, then sees more valuable things, removes the frocks and fills the coffers with golden coins and jewels for her sisters.  The father says that he will be able to hide his new treasure from everybody, including the rest of the family.<br />
Beaumont: Beauty and her father fill the coffers with various things.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: first dinner with the Beast.  The Beast then  asks if she wants to sleep with him.  She refuses in a panic.<br />
Beaumont: the Beast asks if she wants to marry him.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: Beauty finds a room featuring a real theater with human actors and spectators. She comes closer, and finds it is  a big crystal which reflects a show given from a nearby town (hey, TV!).<br />
Beaumont: Beauty has a magic mirror, where she can see her family.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: Beauty comes back in her family for 2 months.  Her father explains how he hid he treasure from her siblings.  Then he tells her that next time the Beast asks, she must accepts to sleep with him and try to marry him.<br />
Beaumont: returns for 8 days only, and the father did not hide the treasure.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: The sisters are not yet married, but Beauty brought more treasures and they are able to find husbands.<br />
Beaumont: the sisters are unhappily married, jealous of Beauty, and plot to make her overstay.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: Beauty returns, finds the Beast dying, saves him, and in the evening, accepts to sleep with him.  Somehow they instantly become husband and wife.<br />
They sleep (it seems they only do that) in the same bed, and lo and behold, when she wakes up the beautiful young man sleeps beside there.<br />
Then the mother of the young man, who is the queen, arrives in a stag-drawn coach (??), and is mortified to learn that her daughter-in-law is the daughter of a merchant.   She is snobbish during many pages, until she learns that la Belle is actually the daughter of the good fairy’s sister.<br />
Beaumont: Beauty accepts to marry the Beast when she finds him dying.  Immediate transmogrification.  The curse was put (without explaining why) on the prince by a bad fairy.  Then the good fairy turns the sisters into statues until they repent.</p>
<p>Villeneuve: in the following tale, the prince explains his predicament.  An old fairy wanted to marry him, he refused because she was old and ugly (reminds me something), she cursed him and what happened was the only way to remove the curse.  </p>
<p>Then a king arrives, who is the queen’s brother (hence the prince&#8217;s uncle), and we learn he is also the father of Beauty.  This tale must have come all the way from Pharaohs’ Egypt.  I’m sure marriage between first cousins was forbidden when the tale was written.</p>
<p>There is much more in the second tale (over a hundred pages) mainly dealing with boring fairies politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To AJ Harris

Hi!  this is the original version of the &quot;Contes de Madame de Villeneuve&quot;, in 5 PDF.  The story of La Belle et la Bête starts page 55 of the first part (which is the last PDF in the list).

http://books.google.be/books?q=editions:OCLC63958421&amp;id=6fAFAAAAQAAJ&amp;hl=fr&amp;source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&amp;cad=5

I&#039;ve started reading it (I&#039;m French).  The spelling is a bit antiquated and the author (or the printer) used the elongated s liberally, which is a bit distracting at first.  If you&#039;re fluent in French there should be no problems.  If not, you&#039;ll suffer.

I&#039;ll post later the points that differ from the Beaumont&#039;s version if you want.

PS: Andy, I love your site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To AJ Harris</p>
<p>Hi!  this is the original version of the &#8220;Contes de Madame de Villeneuve&#8221;, in 5 PDF.  The story of La Belle et la Bête starts page 55 of the first part (which is the last PDF in the list).</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.be/books?q=editions:OCLC63958421&#038;id=6fAFAAAAQAAJ&#038;hl=fr&#038;source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&#038;cad=5" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.be/books?q=editions:OCLC63958421&#038;id=6fAFAAAAQAAJ&#038;hl=fr&#038;source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&#038;cad=5</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve started reading it (I&#8217;m French).  The spelling is a bit antiquated and the author (or the printer) used the elongated s liberally, which is a bit distracting at first.  If you&#8217;re fluent in French there should be no problems.  If not, you&#8217;ll suffer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll post later the points that differ from the Beaumont&#8217;s version if you want.</p>
<p>PS: Andy, I love your site!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Kaiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martti,

First I made a list of the &quot;common&quot; stories that I was sure a lot of readers would be familiar with. Then I researched to find what &quot;original&quot; stories I could find from that list. The Internet, of course, was very helpful. But also see the &quot;References&quot; section at the very end of the article - those books were invaluable.

Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martti,</p>
<p>First I made a list of the &#8220;common&#8221; stories that I was sure a lot of readers would be familiar with. Then I researched to find what &#8220;original&#8221; stories I could find from that list. The Internet, of course, was very helpful. But also see the &#8220;References&#8221; section at the very end of the article &#8211; those books were invaluable.</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: martti</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, where do you find these orginal stories?</description>
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