Problems with prophecy from the Bible and Koran

2009 April 26

By Nicholas Covington
Article ID: 1318

Most world religions, especially the Abrahamic faiths, promote the idea that God has spoken to man in the past and present. If they are right, we should find strong evidence that future knowledge was handed down to man in the form of prophecy. God may also have spoken scientific facts to a prophet which the prophet could not possibly have known at the time.

As you might guess, Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe that their holy books contain such knowledge. However, a careful examination reveals that not only is there no strong evidence of prophecy, but also that the Qu’ran and Torah both contain falsehoods concerning history and science!

Before we can consider a prophecy as genuine, there are four standards that must be met.

1. The prophecy must be specific.

This criterion rules out the vast majority of prophecies. Take those in the Biblical Book of Revelation, which is so vague that it has plenty of different interpretations. For example, the number “666″ is said to refer to the Roman Emperor Nero by the Roman Catholics, while Seventh-Day Adventists maintain that this number refers to the Pope! Also, in order to be precise, the prophecy should give or imply a date by which it is to be fulfilled. Otherwise, any group can make a prophecy such as “City X will be destroyed” and claim victory for their prophecy if City X is destroyed hundreds or thousands of years later. Alternately, a group could always claim that the prophecy will be fulfilled sometime in the future, and so such a claim would risk nothing.

An example of this is in the Bible’s Book of Ezekiel (chapter 26). It says that Tyre will be completely destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar. This is a false prophecy, since Tyre was still standing centuries later when Alexander the Great came through and conquered it.

Well, that clears it up.

Well, that clears it up.

2. The prophecy must be made before the prophesied event

This is another criterion which rules out a very high percentage of alleged prophecies. To be certain that a prophecy was made before the predicted event, we must have documentation. And this documentation must be datable – by carbon-dating or some other trusted method – to a time well before the event happened.

3. The prophecy must be fulfilled and must not appear in the same book as a text containing false prophecies.

We must be able to verify that the prophecy came true. We also would not expect a God-given prophecy to predict anything other than what actually happened.

4. The prophecy must not be something which could plausibly be attributed to a guess.

Years before the Soviet Union collapsed, many people predicted the collapse itself. This makes sense, since the Soviet Union had been terribly unstable for years. While there is nothing miraculous about these predictions, any alleged prophecy must likewise be this specific.

Prophecy: The Bible predicts the birth of the nation of Israel

Throughout my reading and research, I have come across only a handful of prophecies which were claimed to fulfill all of these criteria. A Christian website claimed that the book of Ezekiel predicted the exact year when Israel would again become a nation[1]. Here’s the relevant passage:

“Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the house of Israel upon yourself. You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side.  I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the house of Israel.

After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the house of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.” (Ezekiel 4:4-6, NIV)

Some say this passage predicts there will be 430 years of judgment against the nation of Israel.  We have claims that the Babylonian Captivity began in 606 BCE, and lasted for exactly seventy years. This would leave us with 360 years of remaining punishment. The site claims that God multiplied this remaining sentence by seven for Israel’s refusal to repent (see Leviticus 26:18). Arranging for the differences between the Jewish and non-Jewish calendars, the prediction is that the punishment would end in 1948. That’s the same year Israel was officially recognized as a nation.

Pretty interesting, right? Perhaps. But it’s completely wrong.

The Babylonian Captivity’s dating is skewed and in contention. Some say it actually lasted from 597 BCE to 538 BCE [1], which is only sixty years, not seventy. Wikipedia says from 586 BCE to 537 BCE: 49 years. Furthermore, why didn’t God wait until the current punishment was completely finished? Instead [according to our originally-referenced Christian source] God stopped midway through his punishment, looked at the nation of Israel and how unrepentant it was, and decided to jack up their punishment by multiplying it times seven. This indicates that whoever performed these calculations had to fool around with numbers a lot before coming up with the desired answer.

Prophecy:  The Bible predicts the shape of the Earth

Many claim that Isaiah 40:22 predicts the Earth is round. This was written thousands of years before the human consensus agreed we actually live on a globe. However, what this passage says is that God “sitteth upon the circle of the earth” (KJV, emphasis mine). Notice the word used there: “circle”. A common Christian defense of this is that the Hebrews did not have a word for sphere, so they simply had to make use of the language available. However, Isaiah also uses a word which is translated as “ball”, so this is clearly not true [1]. This passage doesn’t say we live on a sphere. It says the Earth is flat.

Prophecy: Scientific knowledge from the Koran and Bible

We know that both the Qu’ran and the Bible contain information which we know to be wrong. For instance, here is how the Qu’ran describes the development of the human embryo:

“Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!” (Surah 23:12-14)

Obviously this is wrong on many counts: Human beings do not develop from “wet earth”, embryos do not pass through a stage in which they are “blood clots”, and bones do not form before flesh.

Conclusion

In determining our criteria for a prophecy, we need to clarify: we’re not trying to arbitrarily exclude a particular prophecy because we don’t agree with it, or aren’t a part of its parent religion. We define our standards to separate prophecy from lucky guesses, chance, and overeager proponents.

More about the prophecies of the Qu’ran

[1] Miracles of the Qu’ran by Harun Yahya: Although Yahya’s work is filled with scientific and logical errors, I believe that you should check this out for yourself. Seeing this site will only make you realize how weak the claims of prophecy are for the Qu’ran.

Cosmology and the Koran by Richard Carrier: This is an excellent article debunking Muslim claims of the Qu’ran predicting recently discovered scientific facts.


More on Biblical Prophecies

Biblical Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment? by Tim Callahan

The “Prophecy” article list at Internet Infidels

A thorough debunking of the “Bible Code”

Another thorough debunking of the “Bible Code”



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8 Comments
2009 April 27
Bob Allen permalink

Great article, thanks for the research and insights.

I rarely see any supporter of so-called prophecies ever deal with the issue of Time – particularly with Time being a fourth dimension in the Space-Time continuum brought to our attention by Einstein et al. It’s hard enough for common folk of our day to express anything correctly about Time, using our common linguistic structures. Try to imagine common folk of earlier periods in Human history attempting to convey issues if Time (as a fourth dimension), in their common linguistic structures, expressing “future” events in the Space-Time continuum – and then this passing through translations – to express anything comprehensible – even if guided by “Devine” inspiration!

No, until so-called prophecy deals with Time as an issue in the Space-Time continuum, I will always remain a Skeptic in this wishy-washy batch of wish-fulfillment wishful thinking.

Bob

2009 April 27
starlatk permalink

Based on your rationale, are there any prophecies (from the Qu’ran, Bible, or other religious source) you would deem as “true”?

2009 April 27
Bob Allen permalink

Hi starlatk,

I’m not sure if you are referring to Covington’s original article or my comment.

It appears that Covington offers a great deal of orientation as to his acceptance of “truth”.

For my comment – the prophecy would need to include issues of Time (as a fourth dimension) in the Space-Time continuum for me even to entertain the possibility of “truth”. All prophecies that do not include the issue of Time in the Space-Time continuum – by definition – are false!

Bob

2009 April 27

Bob,

the prophecy would need to include issues of Time (as a fourth dimension) in the Space-Time continuum for me even to entertain the possibility of “truth”

I don’t understand what you mean… are you saying a prophecy needs to literally mention the fourth dimension and its relation to the other three before you’d think any prophecy was valid?

Andy

2009 April 29
Bob Allen permalink

Hi Andy,

I appreciate everything that you have completed in the Digital Skeptic movement – particularly the diligence towards clarity that you offer in the articles that you contribute for ongoing discussion with Digital Skeptics. Thus, I see it as right and just for you to ask me for clarification on my comments about the fourth dimension of Time within the Space-time continuum vis-à-vis so-called prophecy.

This neither is an easy subject to write about nor understand, and I direct the reader to three entries within the Wikipedia for details – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-time_continuum, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_lines. As is true for all Wikipedia browsing, one may start in any one of these three areas – and spend many hours following up on various links within the articles.

The heart of my argument that any and all so-called prophecy needs to address the fourth dimension of Time in the Space-Time continuum is that of the differences in observational positions between the “giver” of the so-called prophecy and the receiver of a so-called prophecy. By definition – the “giver” must not only be within a different World-line from the receiver – but the “giver” MUST be in a World-line that is BIG enough to INCLUDE the World-line of the Big Bang (of 13.7 billion years ago) AND also in a World-line that is OUTSIDE of the World-line that includes the Big Bang. By definition – the receiver’s World-line of existence includes a typical life span of 100 years or so. Even if we measure the time frame between a receiver of a so-called prophecy, writing down the so-called prophecy, and a later receiver reading the writings of the initial receiver as 10,000 years – we have a rather small fraction of movement possibility within the Light-cones of the receiver of the initial so-called prophecy and the receiver of the written recording of this so-called prophecy. That’s 1 to the fourth divided by 1.37 to the tenth – or 1 divided by 1.37 to the sixth – a rather small fraction indeed.

Moreover, this says nothing about the speed of movement of the “giver” of the so-called prophecy through the Space-Time continuum and the speed of movement for both the recording receiver of the so-called prophecy and the reader of the recording of the so-called prophecy through the Space-Time continuum. Since the observational positions of the “giver” and the receiver of so-called prophecy reside in different World-lines, the probability that these observational positions are moving at different rates of speed, relative to each other, additionally casts gravitational influences – that effect the “slowing down” or “speeding up” of Time – upon all of the above.

Naturally, translations of texts and changes within linguistic constructions between the initial recording of the receiver of a so-called prophecy and the reading of this initial recording of the so-called prophecy have an effect on a change in meaning between the recording and the receiving of the so-called prophecy. This though is small potatoes compared to the above discussion of the observational positioning of the “giver” of the so-called prophecy and the observational positioning of the receiver of the so-called prophecy.

Bob

2009 April 29
Bob Allen permalink

Hi Andy,

Please note in Scientic notations about – meant to say “times 10 to the x power” where x is the number indicated.

Bob

2009 July 19

I cannot comment on the Koran, but I sure know a lot about the bible to know your reseach is lacking a few pieces. Take time to consider a different point a view for a moment.

1. The bible touches on an astounding remarkable evidence of History ,Science, Mathematics AND Medicine in detail. It also has embedded Numeral Mathematics within the words, as well as THOUSANDS of Bible codes threaded within and throughout the BIBLE.

2. Prophecy can be found in the celebrations- God set up 5 exciting celebrations in Lev 23 Today some celebrate Christmas, Easter, and Halloween, but did you know the Jewish festivals all contained celebrations that set up furture events that would occur? It is kind of neat that all the celebrations were on the exact same day that either Jesus was born , and in the exact place, or that the holy spirit was given.

3. Here is another distinction. In all of the old testiment prophecies that talk about “the comming messiah” FOUND in the bible codes in the very line of the prophecy is Jesus’s name. YUP!! The Jews would finally wake up to know that that messiah they are waiting for is Jesus.

4. There are 2,000 prophecies that discuss past events which have come to pass (proven correct), future prophecies and 300 prophecies (ALL proven correct and detailed) on the implications about the life, INCLUDING the death, and resurrection of Jesus. An honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the divine authorship of the Bible. NO OTHER religion has this.

5. The Messiah would have had 456 identifying characteristics; Jesus had them all.

6. Jesus DID NOT manipulate events to fulfill prophecy Such as The Place of the Messiah’s birth (Micah 5:2). , The Date of the Messiah’s birth (Daniel 9:25). Manner of birth of the Messiah (Isaiah 7:14), The Manner of death of the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10; Psalm 22:16 prophesied before the invention of crucifixion). , Piercing in side of that Messiah (Zechariah 12:10).The Details of the Burial of the Messiah(Isaiah 53:9).Executers dividing up Jesus’ clothes after he died on the cross

7.AN EARTHQUAKE and an Eclipse Happened while Jesus was dying on the cross.Sited by MANY NON Biblical Sources (13 in total)

8. At the very moment Jesus died, the temple curtain tore in half that was once used to seperate the holy place of God . The curtain was 60 feet in height, 30 feet in width and 4 inches thick

This is only some basic evidence for Jesus. Buddha didn’t rise from the dead, (Jesus had more than 400 witnesses of his appearance after he died) nor did Confucius or Zoroaster. Muhammad or Maitreya didn’t fulfill detailed prophecy. Alexander the Great, nor did Joseph Smith raise the dead or heal the sick. There is far less reliable information written about these “religious” leaders, yet they are followed by millions, OR JUST completly ignored by athiets.

The point is there is so much more evidence for Jesus in astronomy, in biology, in healings and demonic deliverance to touch on some interesting topics….. BUT, here is how it effects you. If all the evidence is true, then you should look into what he said. Your eternity depends on it.

Meranda

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16)

2009 July 19
Bob Allen permalink

Hi Meranda,

I see that you JUST LOVE to re-hash the Biblical propaganda that is SO comfortable for you. HOWEVER, you FAIL even to mention the problems that I raise with ALL so-called prophecies – the MODERN day knowledge, since Einstein, of the Space-Time Continuum !!!!!!

Therefore – it appears that you prefer to live “in the past” with your propaganda – rather than live in the current time that actually effects you AND everyone else.

PLEASE – take a moment to try to bring your propaganda beliefs into the 21st Century!

Bob Allen

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