Comments on: The ideomotor effect http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/ Skepticism. Critical thinking. Podcast. Community. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:29:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Andy Kaiser http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-5002 Andy Kaiser Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:15:52 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1126#comment-5002 <p>Krishna,</p> <p>If I read you right, one could further summarize what you're saying with, "There are two kinds of people - believers in God and believers in Satan."</p> <p>I have a hard time taking that seriously. Is this <em>really </em>what you think?</p> <p>Andy</p> Krishna,

If I read you right, one could further summarize what you’re saying with, “There are two kinds of people – believers in God and believers in Satan.”

I have a hard time taking that seriously. Is this really what you think?

Andy

]]> By: krishna http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-5001 krishna Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:07:27 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1126#comment-5001 Ill be quick and simple here.. 3 types of people. 1.believers in God.Always complaining about science for things it cannot explain like love,courage etc. Would never agree with sceince even if some miracles were proven to be scientific with real facts and chemistry.They always relate everything that happens to them  to God and angels. 2.scientist or people trying to be practical..believes in god but won't agree that God created the universe.Instead they would rather believe in big bang theories.They pray God but won't agree that if there is God then there must be an equal but opposite force as evil.Pray God to remove any satanic spirits,but won't believe in satan.They go to graveyard to pray for the goodwill of their dead loved ones,but won't agree with the existence of spirits. 3.Satan believers. Do not complain about science too much but won't agree that coincidences happen. They will not accept scientific facts even if proven clearly with statistics. They always relate everything that happens to them  to ghosts or spirits. I would recommend you to read The Tin's hypothesis on articlebase.com.. Ill be quick and simple here..
3 types of people.
1.believers in God.Always complaining about science for things it cannot explain like love,courage etc. Would never agree with sceince even if some miracles were proven to be scientific with real facts and chemistry.They always relate everything that happens to them  to God and angels.
2.scientist or people trying to be practical..believes in god but won’t agree that God created the universe.Instead they would rather believe in big bang theories.They pray God but won’t agree that if there is God then there must be an equal but opposite force as evil.Pray God to remove any satanic spirits,but won’t believe in satan.They go to graveyard to pray for the goodwill of their dead loved ones,but won’t agree with the existence of spirits.
3.Satan believers. Do not complain about science too much but won’t agree that coincidences happen. They will not accept scientific facts even if proven clearly with statistics. They always relate everything that happens to them  to ghosts or spirits.

I would recommend you to read The Tin’s hypothesis on articlebase.com..

]]> By: Andy Kaiser http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-3194 Andy Kaiser Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:43:25 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1126#comment-3194 >It’s not nice to fool with the other world What I don't understand is, when asking questions of beings more powerful and knowledgeable than us puny humans, why don't we ask 'em for answers that could change the world? Help solve world hunger, end wars, listen in on conversations of enemy governments, tell me the right scratch-off lotto tickets to purchase. You know - the really important stuff. The "other world" should easily be able to help out with some of them. But they don't, instead focusing their time on telling us how content (or restless) they are. Not to mention the Ouija board technique itself - if it really worked, we should automate it! Have a computer servo controlling the movement to channel the spirit 24x7 instead of just a few people with nothing to do on a Saturday night. If spirits can channel through a cheap Dell laptop, I envision far more productive conversations. Heck, we might even be able to start channeling TO the spirits. Maybe they'll develop Ouija boards of their own to talk to the living humans. They could start asking us for advice with their pressing problems. And we'd answer appropriately, like with information on how to keep weeds out of one's lawn, and the proper way to eat an Oreo. Andy p.s. The proper way to eat an Oreo is to unscrew the cookie itself, and take the one side with frosting on it, and smush it against another frosting-packed piece. Then unscrew that "double-Oreo", and try to do the same thing again with new Oreos. The more frosting you can get in one bite, the better the Oreo. p.p.s. Okay, enough caffeine for now. >It’s not nice to fool with the other world

What I don’t understand is, when asking questions of beings more powerful and knowledgeable than us puny humans, why don’t we ask ‘em for answers that could change the world? Help solve world hunger, end wars, listen in on conversations of enemy governments, tell me the right scratch-off lotto tickets to purchase. You know – the really important stuff. The “other world” should easily be able to help out with some of them. But they don’t, instead focusing their time on telling us how content (or restless) they are.

Not to mention the Ouija board technique itself – if it really worked, we should automate it! Have a computer servo controlling the movement to channel the spirit 24×7 instead of just a few people with nothing to do on a Saturday night. If spirits can channel through a cheap Dell laptop, I envision far more productive conversations. Heck, we might even be able to start channeling TO the spirits. Maybe they’ll develop Ouija boards of their own to talk to the living humans. They could start asking us for advice with their pressing problems. And we’d answer appropriately, like with information on how to keep weeds out of one’s lawn, and the proper way to eat an Oreo.

Andy

p.s. The proper way to eat an Oreo is to unscrew the cookie itself, and take the one side with frosting on it, and smush it against another frosting-packed piece. Then unscrew that “double-Oreo”, and try to do the same thing again with new Oreos. The more frosting you can get in one bite, the better the Oreo.

p.p.s. Okay, enough caffeine for now.

]]> By: Miragi http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-3193 Miragi Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:17:02 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1126#comment-3193 While the ideomotor effect is reasonable, I still won't mess with the Ouija boards. It's not nice to fool with the other world :) While the ideomotor effect is reasonable, I still won’t mess with the Ouija boards. It’s not nice to fool with the other world :)

]]> By: M Parrott http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-3131 M Parrott Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:09:27 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1126#comment-3131 Oh magicians, mentalists and hypnotists use it all the time is their acts. Mentalists and hypnotists use it to seperate out the most suggestable. I believe Kreskin also uses muscle reading, which I suppose could be related to the ideomotor effect but no direct link has been proven. The use of the ideomotor effect is amazing. I was messing around with it with someone as part of my act and I decided I'd add something on the end; "In a moment I am going to ask you a question, you can either lie or tell me the truth. However, if you lie, the pendulum will swing in a circle, whereas if you tell the truth the pendulum will swing from side-to-side. Understand? Now what is your mother's maiden name?" As they thought the pendulum started to swing in a circle. Fantastic applications from this phenomenon Oh magicians, mentalists and hypnotists use it all the time is their acts. Mentalists and hypnotists use it to seperate out the most suggestable.

I believe Kreskin also uses muscle reading, which I suppose could be related to the ideomotor effect but no direct link has been proven.

The use of the ideomotor effect is amazing. I was messing around with it with someone as part of my act and I decided I’d add something on the end; “In a moment I am going to ask you a question, you can either lie or tell me the truth. However, if you lie, the pendulum will swing in a circle, whereas if you tell the truth the pendulum will swing from side-to-side. Understand? Now what is your mother’s maiden name?” As they thought the pendulum started to swing in a circle.

Fantastic applications from this phenomenon

]]> By: Gary Peterson http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-3128 Gary Peterson Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:43:44 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1126#comment-3128 One other example you could add is that magician/mentalists (Kreskin for example) have used such techniques to promote/hype their shows or, in Kreskin's case, tried to hone their skills in reading such ideomotor responses to locate hidden objects. One other example you could add is that magician/mentalists (Kreskin for example) have used such techniques to promote/hype their shows or, in Kreskin’s case, tried to hone their skills in reading such ideomotor responses to locate hidden objects.

]]> By: Gary Peterson http://www.dbskeptic.com/2009/06/12/the-ideomotor-effect/comment-page-1/#comment-3127 Gary Peterson Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:35:54 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1126#comment-3127 Fun piece. Not sure what the "subconscious mind" is and who controls that?! Is that located next to the preconscious ego? What is interesting is how nicely it illustrates people's expectations and motivations that they might not always be willing to admit to, and also the illusion of non-agency...."it was the spirits, not me!" Fun piece. Not sure what the “subconscious mind” is and who controls that?! Is that located next to the preconscious ego? What is interesting is how nicely it illustrates people’s expectations and motivations that they might not always be willing to admit to, and also the illusion of non-agency….”it was the spirits, not me!”

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