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		<title>By: Gerald Guild</title>
		<link>http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/01/17/five-habits-of-the-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-5361</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Guild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If interested, I&#039;ve put together a few thoughts on good thinking hygiene at:
http://geraldguild.com/blog/2010/02/12/rules-of-thought/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If interested, I&#8217;ve put together a few thoughts on good thinking hygiene at:<br />
<a href="http://geraldguild.com/blog/2010/02/12/rules-of-thought/" rel="nofollow">http://geraldguild.com/blog/2010/02/12/rules-of-thought/</a><br />
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		<title>By: Andy Kaiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Kaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Caroline and R.C.,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re both right. Thanks for the catch - I&#039;ve updated the original text to reflect what Caroline proposed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Andy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline and R.C.,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re both right. Thanks for the catch &#8211; I&#8217;ve updated the original text to reflect what Caroline proposed.</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: R.C. Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.C. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline --
 
I agree.  If some roses are not flowers, and those are the only ones with thorns, then we can not conclude that some flowers have thorns.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline &#8211;<br />
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I agree.  If some roses are not flowers, and those are the only ones with thorns, then we can not conclude that some flowers have thorns.<br />
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 17 and do not know much, but I think the syllogism should be changed to this:

 All roses are flowers
Some roses have thorns.
Therefore, some flowers have thorns.

If you leave common knowledge out of this, saying &quot;some flowers are roses&quot; could allow for the possibility that some roses are not flowers. Then you could not assume that the roses that do have thorns are the same ones that are flowers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 17 and do not know much, but I think the syllogism should be changed to this:</p>
<p> All roses are flowers<br />
Some roses have thorns.<br />
Therefore, some flowers have thorns.</p>
<p>If you leave common knowledge out of this, saying &#8220;some flowers are roses&#8221; could allow for the possibility that some roses are not flowers. Then you could not assume that the roses that do have thorns are the same ones that are flowers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Guild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Guild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nicholas – or Ryan. I must say that I am a touch confused by the dualism – so are you Ryan or Nicholas (both or neither)? I see that you have been at this a while. Obviously this is a new endeavor for me. As I have said, I have enjoyed your work. My meanderings lack references – I like the fact that you include your sources. I’ve pondered this – doing so certainly seems value added (enhances cred &amp; decreases chances of accusation of plagiarism). Anyways, thanks for the great reads and kind words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nicholas – or Ryan. I must say that I am a touch confused by the dualism – so are you Ryan or Nicholas (both or neither)? I see that you have been at this a while. Obviously this is a new endeavor for me. As I have said, I have enjoyed your work. My meanderings lack references – I like the fact that you include your sources. I’ve pondered this – doing so certainly seems value added (enhances cred &amp; decreases chances of accusation of plagiarism). Anyways, thanks for the great reads and kind words.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan-LynnGriggs Lamberth[ Carneades]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan-LynnGriggs Lamberth[ Carneades]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan ,you are making the presumption of skepticism. Thasks, and I&#039;ll add your comments, recognizing you, in my threads on skepticism elsewhere. Serendipity seems to guide my posting in that I&#039;ll find some site or one of my many books haphazardly giving me a response to some problem or the occasion to make a new statement .Of course, that is natural,not Providential!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan ,you are making the presumption of skepticism. Thasks, and I&#8217;ll add your comments, recognizing you, in my threads on skepticism elsewhere. Serendipity seems to guide my posting in that I&#8217;ll find some site or one of my many books haphazardly giving me a response to some problem or the occasion to make a new statement .Of course, that is natural,not Providential!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gerald! I always enjoy hearing when someone has enjoyed my writing or gotten something out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gerald! I always enjoy hearing when someone has enjoyed my writing or gotten something out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Guild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Guild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice survey of positive cognitive behaviors.  I am in the process of posting a series of posts discussing the erroneous thought processes that make such logical and rational strategies difficult.  In the wrap up of my discussion of attribution error, Spinoza&#039;s Conjecture, and confirmation bias I will be sure to reference your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice survey of positive cognitive behaviors.  I am in the process of posting a series of posts discussing the erroneous thought processes that make such logical and rational strategies difficult.  In the wrap up of my discussion of attribution error, Spinoza&#8217;s Conjecture, and confirmation bias I will be sure to reference your work.</p>
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		<title>By: rc_moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>rc_moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good list.  Here are a few of my personal favorites.

1.  Understand what objective evidence is.  My definition:  objective evidence results when all observers who follow the same protocol achieve the same results, regardless of their personal beliefs. (&quot;Same&quot; means within a given statistical variation determined by the limits of the protocol).
2.  When using logic, understand the important of the &quot;basis&quot; (or first axiom) for your argument.  This basis must be considered true by all for the purposes of the argument, and cannot be the result of the proof.
3.  The endpoint of recursive or reductive logic must be defined up front.  It cannot merely be a stopping point that is convenient for the argument.  Also, the stopping point cannot be what you were trying to prove in the first place.
4.  Most importantly,  remember that logic is an invention of the human mind.  Any number of things that are not true in the &quot;real&quot; world are quite logically consistent.  While logic is very useful for modeling the behaviour of the universe,  in no way does it control its behaviour.
5.  Remember that probabilities always sum to unity.  Do not suggest that something is improbable unless you are just as willing to defend the proposition that the complement is highly probable.  For instance, if you feel that it is highly improbable that self-replicating molecules could arise in a nature, then you are implicitly stating that you can prove that with a high probability that molecules can never form self-replicating structures.  The latter is a much harder proposition to defend, as you must find some law of physics the supports this.
6.  Never forget the Lottery Fallacy.   What is improbable for the individual may be highly probable (or a certainty) given the entire  population.   The human mind seems hardwired to commit this error.
7.  Remember that statistical error never improves with the repetition of independent samples.  It does not matter how many UFO&#039;s, ghosts, religious miracles, etc are reported.  The errors inherent in such data remain the same (or get worse).
8.  Remember that uncalibrated experimentation is useless.  Until someone can calibrate their EMF meter or EVP recorder to detect when a ghost is not present,  the devices are useless in determining that a ghost is present. No matter how many times you use it!  (see #7).  This includes using a &quot;psychic&quot; to confirm EMF or EVP data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good list.  Here are a few of my personal favorites.</p>
<p>1.  Understand what objective evidence is.  My definition:  objective evidence results when all observers who follow the same protocol achieve the same results, regardless of their personal beliefs. (&#8220;Same&#8221; means within a given statistical variation determined by the limits of the protocol).<br />
2.  When using logic, understand the important of the &#8220;basis&#8221; (or first axiom) for your argument.  This basis must be considered true by all for the purposes of the argument, and cannot be the result of the proof.<br />
3.  The endpoint of recursive or reductive logic must be defined up front.  It cannot merely be a stopping point that is convenient for the argument.  Also, the stopping point cannot be what you were trying to prove in the first place.<br />
4.  Most importantly,  remember that logic is an invention of the human mind.  Any number of things that are not true in the &#8220;real&#8221; world are quite logically consistent.  While logic is very useful for modeling the behaviour of the universe,  in no way does it control its behaviour.<br />
5.  Remember that probabilities always sum to unity.  Do not suggest that something is improbable unless you are just as willing to defend the proposition that the complement is highly probable.  For instance, if you feel that it is highly improbable that self-replicating molecules could arise in a nature, then you are implicitly stating that you can prove that with a high probability that molecules can never form self-replicating structures.  The latter is a much harder proposition to defend, as you must find some law of physics the supports this.<br />
6.  Never forget the Lottery Fallacy.   What is improbable for the individual may be highly probable (or a certainty) given the entire  population.   The human mind seems hardwired to commit this error.<br />
7.  Remember that statistical error never improves with the repetition of independent samples.  It does not matter how many UFO&#8217;s, ghosts, religious miracles, etc are reported.  The errors inherent in such data remain the same (or get worse).<br />
8.  Remember that uncalibrated experimentation is useless.  Until someone can calibrate their EMF meter or EVP recorder to detect when a ghost is not present,  the devices are useless in determining that a ghost is present. No matter how many times you use it!  (see #7).  This includes using a &#8220;psychic&#8221; to confirm EMF or EVP data.</p>
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