Comments on: Jesus’ miracles, religious myth and biblical contradictions http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/ Skepticism. Critical thinking. Podcast. Community. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:04:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Bob Allen http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5699 Bob Allen Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:17:02 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5699 In answer to the postings of so-called Truth - What IF you and ALL others - are wasting your time and energy believing in a so-called Jesus and all of the bunk that goes with that belief-set. What IF - the Jesus junk is just that - JUNK. To bad that you folk have failed to FULLY live life.  Too bad.  So Sad.  BUT - you ONLY have your selves to blame. In answer to the postings of so-called Truth -

What IF you and ALL others – are wasting your time and energy believing in a so-called Jesus and all of the bunk that goes with that belief-set.

What IF – the Jesus junk is just that – JUNK.

To bad that you folk have failed to FULLY live life.  Too bad.  So Sad.  BUT – you ONLY have your selves to blame.

]]> By: Truth http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5698 Truth Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:17:04 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5698 One last comment.....just food for thought.... what if hypothetically you are wrong and the bible's account of miracles is the exact truth? Think about what happen's when you die... is that it?  Or will you meet your maker?  If the existence of God is true then we will all meet him someday.  If you do not believe now and follow in what he teaches;  it will be too late to recant when we die.  Everyone has their own perspective which is probably formed from their life experiences.... Look, I'm not trying to convert anyone or start any arguments, all I am saying is to just look at the possibility and have the hope for something better.  If you take a close look at all the negativity in the world, you can simply deduce that humanity has drawn away from the commandments and brought disaster upon itself.... One example is years of pollution has caused Global warming, which in turn reflects other natural disasters..... or the use of biological warfare....  All I'm saying is " do you really want to take the chance of being wrong?"  I'm not asking for this to be a challenge for someone to try and 'one up me' or be a battle of witts, I am just a simple human being with a perspective of hope.... I wish I could be more eloquent with words....  I just want others to break away from the 'norm' and give it a chance.....  I guarantee you will not regret it!  May God bless all of you. One last comment…..just food for thought…. what if hypothetically you are wrong and the bible’s account of miracles is the exact truth? Think about what happen’s when you die… is that it?  Or will you meet your maker?  If the existence of God is true then we will all meet him someday. 
If you do not believe now and follow in what he teaches;  it will be too late to recant when we die. 
Everyone has their own perspective which is probably formed from their life experiences….
Look, I’m not trying to convert anyone or start any arguments, all I am saying is to just look at the possibility and have the hope for something better.  If you take a close look at all the negativity in the world, you can simply deduce that humanity has drawn away from the commandments and brought disaster upon itself…. One example is years of pollution has caused Global warming, which in turn reflects other natural disasters….. or the use of biological warfare….  All I’m saying is ” do you really want to take the chance of being wrong?”  I’m not asking for this to be a challenge for someone to try and ‘one up me’ or be a battle of witts, I am just a simple human being with a perspective of hope…. I wish I could be more eloquent with words….  I just want others to break away from the ‘norm’ and give it a chance…..  I guarantee you will not regret it!  May God bless all of you.

]]> By: Truth http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5697 Truth Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:48:14 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5697 I have read this article & I have read the comments that have been posted..and I would like to post my thoughts as well.....  It is unfortunate that so many of you are skeptic, but I think its because you have not seen or felt God in your life and therefore resist anything that cannot be explained by science.  You cannot read the bible in only a literal sense nor can you gain its interpretation and its purpose if you are already bias and have decided that its fiction.  I am not going to rebut the thoughts that this author has as it would be pointless as he has already exalted his opinions as fact.... While some of you try to examine the history of humanity during that time period and some state that people then were ignorant; is extremely unfair and simply your opinion.  No matter what the era is, you will always have people who 'hate'.... they hate change, they hate difference they hate anything that cannot be rationalized or explained by science; and they hate Christ and therefore they will never be enlightened and never be satisfied in life or truly happy..... they will always be looking for bigger and better...  Yes, it is true that the bible came to its fruition years after Christ's death, however many forget that traditional practices were in place before the literal documentation occured.....  So if all of the bible's miracles are fiction, and its author and publisher is only man and man's ideologies, then how is it that the apostles and many other's in history gave up everything in their lives and subjected themselves to death?  Ask yourselves, how many of you would DIE for what you believe?  Some things are not meant to be understood in its entirety that's why they call it 'faith'!    Everything that happens, happens exactly when its supposed to happen & how its supposed to happen as everything has its purpose including life, death, unfortunate events etc....   It is a ripple effect .... if the world were perfect than nothing would be sacred not even having full use of our limbs, or sight; which most of us take for granted on a daily basis.   When there is pain & suffering, we must take a proactive approach and perservere...Christ gives us hope through his teachings and his purpose and his death..... One is not less of a human being because they are blind or hearing impaired or missing limbs.... instead look at how people who live life this way have become successful and live normal lives... they are not less of a human being, and it is ignorant to ask why God doesn't just make their limbs grow back....  these are people to look up to because they have succeeded in life and appreciate what they have.   I think that it is always good to ask questions and search for truth which is what this author seems to be exploring. However, I guess its always easier to say something didn't happen and be in denial than to challenge yourself & prove that it did happen; and realize the good that stemmed from it.  I pray that God forgives you and opens your heart to his voice and teachings; because he loves all of you even those that are against him.  I have read this article & I have read the comments that have been posted..and I would like to post my thoughts as well…..  It is unfortunate that so many of you are skeptic, but I think its because you have not seen or felt God in your life and therefore resist anything that cannot be explained by science.  You cannot read the bible in only a literal sense nor can you gain its interpretation and its purpose if you are already bias and have decided that its fiction. 
I am not going to rebut the thoughts that this author has as it would be pointless as he has already exalted his opinions as fact….
While some of you try to examine the history of humanity during that time period and some state that people then were ignorant; is extremely unfair and simply your opinion.  No matter what the era is, you will always have people who ‘hate’…. they hate change, they hate difference they hate anything that cannot be rationalized or explained by science; and they hate Christ and therefore they will never be enlightened and never be satisfied in life or truly happy….. they will always be looking for bigger and better…  Yes, it is true that the bible came to its fruition years after Christ’s death, however many forget that traditional practices were in place before the literal documentation occured…..  So if all of the bible’s miracles are fiction, and its author and publisher is only man and man’s ideologies, then how is it that the apostles and many other’s in history gave up everything in their lives and subjected themselves to death?  Ask yourselves, how many of you would DIE for what you believe?  Some things are not meant to be understood in its entirety that’s why they call it ‘faith’!    Everything that happens, happens exactly when its supposed to happen & how its supposed to happen as everything has its purpose including life, death, unfortunate events etc….   It is a ripple effect …. if the world were perfect than nothing would be sacred not even having full use of our limbs, or sight; which most of us take for granted on a daily basis.   When there is pain & suffering, we must take a proactive approach and perservere…Christ gives us hope through his teachings and his purpose and his death….. One is not less of a human being because they are blind or hearing impaired or missing limbs…. instead look at how people who live life this way have become successful and live normal lives… they are not less of a human being, and it is ignorant to ask why God doesn’t just make their limbs grow back….  these are people to look up to because they have succeeded in life and appreciate what they have.  
I think that it is always good to ask questions and search for truth which is what this author seems to be exploring. However, I guess its always easier to say something didn’t happen and be in denial than to challenge yourself & prove that it did happen; and realize the good that stemmed from it.  I pray that God forgives you and opens your heart to his voice and teachings; because he loves all of you even those that are against him. 

]]> By: anti_supernaturalist http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5686 anti_supernaturalist Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:03:55 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5686 <em>You can no more have a relationship with Jesus/Christ than you can with Sherlock Holmes and for exactly the same reason.</em> <strong>Praise Trimalchio and all the whores of Rome! </strong> The morally unclean texts of the big-3 monster theisms. We don’t need more blather about 1-god, stupid scripticism (bible-based BS), or authoritarian god proxies nibbling at the edges of sedition. No sadistic nihilist tarted up as a love-god: God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are…1Cor1:27-28 NIV. We don't need more moralists; we need more immoralists. We don’t need more preachies, we need more Nietzsches. We’ll continually make Saul of Tarsus the butt of jokes in the agora: we Stoics and Epicureans, Cynics and Cyreniacs, Sceptics, atomists and hedonists. We proclaim the exuberant, skeptical words of Of Xenophanes, Lucretius, Lucian of Samosatos, Petronius, Apuleius.  Bring on the Satyrica! The Golden Ass! “For who are we to believe a rabble of mistaken [xian] prophets, or the philosophers?” — Celsus* (ca 175 CE) the anti_supernaturalist *On the true doctrine — against the christians. (ca 175 CE) trans/intro RJ Hoffmann. Oxford. 1987. p. 108. You can no more have a relationship with Jesus/Christ than you can with Sherlock Holmes and for exactly the same reason.
Praise Trimalchio and all the whores of Rome!

The morally unclean texts of the big-3 monster theisms. We don’t need more blather about 1-god, stupid scripticism (bible-based BS), or authoritarian god proxies nibbling at the edges of sedition.

No sadistic nihilist tarted up as a love-god:
God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are…1Cor1:27-28 NIV.

We don’t need more moralists; we need more immoralists. We don’t need more preachies, we need more Nietzsches.

We’ll continually make Saul of Tarsus the butt of jokes in the agora: we Stoics and Epicureans, Cynics and Cyreniacs, Sceptics, atomists and hedonists.

We proclaim the exuberant, skeptical words of Of Xenophanes, Lucretius, Lucian of Samosatos, Petronius, Apuleius.  Bring on the Satyrica! The Golden Ass!

“For who are we to believe a rabble of mistaken [xian] prophets, or the philosophers?”
— Celsus* (ca 175 CE)

the anti_supernaturalist

*On the true doctrine — against the christians. (ca 175 CE) trans/intro RJ Hoffmann. Oxford. 1987. p. 108.

]]> By: Terry http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5685 Terry Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:21:13 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5685 Just one more things I neglected to write but intended to. When you quoted Pauls saying we do not know how to pray. Then using that as evidence that he did not even know the Lords prayer. The thing is that the scriptures are full of telling us what we need to do- but does not give a lot of detail on HOW to do it. Including the Lords prayer- the Lords prayer does not tell us HOW to pray but what to pray. Another one is where we are taught to love your neighbour as yourself- how the heck are we to do that? Or where it says to LOVE your enemies- it does not tell us how to get the the mental emotonial space whereby we can genuinely love our enemies- we can pretend but it is not talking about pretence it is talking about genuine love and affection for our enemies. How do we get to that place it does not say it only tells us what the aim or ideal is. This does not mean that the scriptures are incorrect or that the Paul did not know the Lords prayer and also the other scriptures- it could just means he is stating an obvious question - how exactly do we do this? It is not that easy to genuinely love someone who would like to take your head off and annihilate your children and family. So the whole point is that when we are open to the holy spirit gradually and gently it leads us and teaches us from within us. It is a personal relationship whereby we are led by intuition- that is tuition- teaching that is within- In... tuition. When we grasp what jesus said and that the kingdom of God is within us we realise that we are not to actually be taught by an external teacher but only by the one and only teacher within that is christ. Jesus even said this when he said let no man be called teacher because there is but one teacher. So yes the scriptures do tell us what do to - but it is up to the internal teacher the christ to teach you how to get to  the space where you can genuinely do it. It becomes a journey that is not a matter of just applying laws and principles- it is a journey where you are aware of the basic aims and you are undertaking them and then you are led along the way patiently by spirit. I would also like to say that on the whole I liked your article that you wrote- it was very interesting and i was relieved that after reading it that it added to my appreciation of the scriptures. The poetry of the sciptures and how Jesus life and miracles actually reflected important past events from the hebrew scriptures is quite brilliant and well written. I took delight in reading that- although i dont agree with the conclusions that it is evidence of it all being a myth. I hope and pray that you will soon see that life is much more than science. Spiritual life does have logic but is much more than a two by two table. I can see that you appreciate the true incredible beauty of nature- but if you also connect to the spirit behind all life you will see a majesty and magnificence that nature only partially reflects. Terry Just one more things I neglected to write but intended to.
When you quoted Pauls saying we do not know how to pray. Then using that as evidence that he did not even know the Lords prayer.
The thing is that the scriptures are full of telling us what we need to do- but does not give a lot of detail on HOW to do it. Including the Lords prayer- the Lords prayer does not tell us HOW to pray but what to pray.
Another one is where we are taught to love your neighbour as yourself- how the heck are we to do that? Or where it says to LOVE your enemies- it does not tell us how to get the the mental emotonial space whereby we can genuinely love our enemies- we can pretend but it is not talking about pretence it is talking about genuine love and affection for our enemies. How do we get to that place it does not say it only tells us what the aim or ideal is. This does not mean that the scriptures are incorrect or that the Paul did not know the Lords prayer and also the other scriptures- it could just means he is stating an obvious question – how exactly do we do this? It is not that easy to genuinely love someone who would like to take your head off and annihilate your children and family.
So the whole point is that when we are open to the holy spirit gradually and gently it leads us and teaches us from within us. It is a personal relationship whereby we are led by intuition- that is tuition- teaching that is within- In… tuition. When we grasp what jesus said and that the kingdom of God is within us we realise that we are not to actually be taught by an external teacher but only by the one and only teacher within that is christ. Jesus even said this when he said let no man be called teacher because there is but one teacher. So yes the scriptures do tell us what do to – but it is up to the internal teacher the christ to teach you how to get to  the space where you can genuinely do it. It becomes a journey that is not a matter of just applying laws and principles- it is a journey where you are aware of the basic aims and you are undertaking them and then you are led along the way patiently by spirit.
I would also like to say that on the whole I liked your article that you wrote- it was very interesting and i was relieved that after reading it that it added to my appreciation of the scriptures. The poetry of the sciptures and how Jesus life and miracles actually reflected important past events from the hebrew scriptures is quite brilliant and well written. I took delight in reading that- although i dont agree with the conclusions that it is evidence of it all being a myth. I hope and pray that you will soon see that life is much more than science. Spiritual life does have logic but is much more than a two by two table. I can see that you appreciate the true incredible beauty of nature- but if you also connect to the spirit behind all life you will see a majesty and magnificence that nature only partially reflects.
Terry

]]> By: Terry http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5683 Terry Fri, 02 Jul 2010 11:19:00 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5683 But of course Jesus life and miracles would mirror the old testament. This was to add weight and spirit to the meaning of what he was doing. Just because Jesus life patterned the old testement does not reek of plagerism and does not prove anything against the scriptures. It gives power and poetry to his life. The four gospels were written according to the holy spirit. The men remembered accurately based on what the holy spirit awoke within them. The fact that there are differences show that they are four independent writings from a common source. If they were just going to copy each others works word for word this i am sure the skeptics would seize upon as proof that it is mere copying.  No matter what would have been written and no matter how skeptics would argue against it- that is the very  nature of a skeptic. Not to seek truth but to disagree and to doubt. There is as much evidence of jesus as being a factual person as there are for many historical people who are accepted as real by archeology. There are many examples if you care to search of biblical records of historical facts eventually being proven to be right through archeology. ONe thing that will alwasy escape skeptical mind is that it is not meant to be able to be proved. We are spiriutal creatures and it is the activation of our faith and spirit that is the important function of the scriptures. If it all could be scientifically validated and prooved and reproduced then there would be no miracle and no faith. A mirace as you mentioned is somethign that is by divine power. Not by natural order. So to say that because somethign is against natrual order proves that these miracles cannot occur is not following a logical flow of an argument and so is irrational. Bascially if you look at the definition of science it is the study of natural phenomena- hence supernature is beyond the definition of science. So it is like asking a preschool PHD lecturer about quantum mechanics. They dont know because it is not their area of expertise. Science precludes its ability to comment on supernature by definition of science as natural phenomena that are repeatable and reproducable.  So they have defined themselves out of being a possible expert on the field of supernature or study of God- theology. So to utilise scientific protocol as the ONLY method to examine data especially ones that cannot be validated sceintifially then it does not prove that it didnt occure any more than it proves that it did occur. So we end up wiht an opinion based on a whole lot of reasoning that is flawed and trying to draw conclusion scientificially that just cannot be deduced. Theology does have a logical flow to its ideas but to actually try to put it to a scientific test is against building up the spirit and faith of a person so is pointless. Interestingly it is also against scripture where Jesus said you shall not put God to the test". it is agains scriptural principles to test God in any way including scientifically. So to use science to test God and prove against Him is against scripture. Finally Jesus did not come to invent penicillin or to debate against public opinion as to the flatness of the earth or it beeing really a globe. That was not HIS purpose. They would not have listened to him anyway. He made points the way people could relate to in those days and also in the coming days. He also did not come to save people from sickness. He used his healings to show power and to build faith in a powerful father and an everlasting life through him. To ask why did hee not just eliminate all sickness from them on shows you dont grasp the point of why he came. For our spiritual health. For our spiriutal development. Lets face it- one miracle you have not considered is the number of people in the whole world who will gladly give their lives for Jesus because of their love of Him. For someone who never wrote a word about himself that is simply amazing. A person who never forced any one to do anything but led by example and by love. I do think science is wonderful but it is out of its league in trying to disprove Jesus miracles or his life or his being. He will not be discounted because he is too important. Why dont you just try to open your heart - imagine it opening to Him and his love and invite the spirit of his love and trust into you. Do this a few times earnestly and see what changes start to happen in your life. it is a spectacular life you have and to think that these things give to you enormously if you just reach out towards them. But they cannot be proved by your methods when you are coming from a state of disbeleif. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. You can have what is promised to be an eternity of meaning and life. Why not take that chance. Even the sperm from your father did not have a scientific basis for how to get to the egg. But it pushed towards something it had never seen nor could prove existed. But it moved towards what was important. So you have done it before- just try it again- reach out for the life that will start a transformation in you that will take you to the next level. Your only other option is to remain a sperm that doenst beleive and will just die without fertilising. its time to shift to the next level. You need to be fertilised by the holy spirit. So give it a few calls and see what will happen. You might just make it. I know you can. God also has trust in and confidence in you- otherwise he would force you rather than patiently wait for you to wake up and try life. Terry   But of course Jesus life and miracles would mirror the old testament. This was to add weight and spirit to the meaning of what he was doing. Just because Jesus life patterned the old testement does not reek of plagerism and does not prove anything against the scriptures. It gives power and poetry to his life.
The four gospels were written according to the holy spirit. The men remembered accurately based on what the holy spirit awoke within them. The fact that there are differences show that they are four independent writings from a common source. If they were just going to copy each others works word for word this i am sure the skeptics would seize upon as proof that it is mere copying.  No matter what would have been written and no matter how skeptics would argue against it- that is the very  nature of a skeptic. Not to seek truth but to disagree and to doubt. There is as much evidence of jesus as being a factual person as there are for many historical people who are accepted as real by archeology. There are many examples if you care to search of biblical records of historical facts eventually being proven to be right through archeology.
ONe thing that will alwasy escape skeptical mind is that it is not meant to be able to be proved. We are spiriutal creatures and it is the activation of our faith and spirit that is the important function of the scriptures. If it all could be scientifically validated and prooved and reproduced then there would be no miracle and no faith. A mirace as you mentioned is somethign that is by divine power. Not by natural order. So to say that because somethign is against natrual order proves that these miracles cannot occur is not following a logical flow of an argument and so is irrational.
Bascially if you look at the definition of science it is the study of natural phenomena- hence supernature is beyond the definition of science. So it is like asking a preschool PHD lecturer about quantum mechanics. They dont know because it is not their area of expertise. Science precludes its ability to comment on supernature by definition of science as natural phenomena that are repeatable and reproducable.  So they have defined themselves out of being a possible expert on the field of supernature or study of God- theology. So to utilise scientific protocol as the ONLY method to examine data especially ones that cannot be validated sceintifially then it does not prove that it didnt occure any more than it proves that it did occur. So we end up wiht an opinion based on a whole lot of reasoning that is flawed and trying to draw conclusion scientificially that just cannot be deduced.
Theology does have a logical flow to its ideas but to actually try to put it to a scientific test is against building up the spirit and faith of a person so is pointless. Interestingly it is also against scripture where Jesus said you shall not put God to the test”. it is agains scriptural principles to test God in any way including scientifically. So to use science to test God and prove against Him is against scripture.
Finally Jesus did not come to invent penicillin or to debate against public opinion as to the flatness of the earth or it beeing really a globe. That was not HIS purpose. They would not have listened to him anyway. He made points the way people could relate to in those days and also in the coming days. He also did not come to save people from sickness. He used his healings to show power and to build faith in a powerful father and an everlasting life through him. To ask why did hee not just eliminate all sickness from them on shows you dont grasp the point of why he came. For our spiritual health. For our spiriutal development.
Lets face it- one miracle you have not considered is the number of people in the whole world who will gladly give their lives for Jesus because of their love of Him. For someone who never wrote a word about himself that is simply amazing. A person who never forced any one to do anything but led by example and by love.
I do think science is wonderful but it is out of its league in trying to disprove Jesus miracles or his life or his being. He will not be discounted because he is too important. Why dont you just try to open your heart – imagine it opening to Him and his love and invite the spirit of his love and trust into you. Do this a few times earnestly and see what changes start to happen in your life. it is a spectacular life you have and to think that these things give to you enormously if you just reach out towards them. But they cannot be proved by your methods when you are coming from a state of disbeleif. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. You can have what is promised to be an eternity of meaning and life. Why not take that chance. Even the sperm from your father did not have a scientific basis for how to get to the egg. But it pushed towards something it had never seen nor could prove existed. But it moved towards what was important. So you have done it before- just try it again- reach out for the life that will start a transformation in you that will take you to the next level. Your only other option is to remain a sperm that doenst beleive and will just die without fertilising. its time to shift to the next level. You need to be fertilised by the holy spirit. So give it a few calls and see what will happen. You might just make it. I know you can. God also has trust in and confidence in you- otherwise he would force you rather than patiently wait for you to wake up and try life.
Terry
 

]]> By: Andy Kaiser http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5572 Andy Kaiser Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:14:52 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5572 <p>Hi 't',</p> <p>Can you give examples of what you'd consider a miracle?</p> <p>If you came here to just drop an opinion without backing it up, that's fine, but I can't really respond to you in a meaningful way. So, in kind, I'll just leave an unsubstantiated opinion of my own:</p> <p>Miracles are misinterpretations or coincidences or an acceptance that something outside of our knowledge must be something supernatural.</p> <p>Andy</p> Hi ‘t’,

Can you give examples of what you’d consider a miracle?

If you came here to just drop an opinion without backing it up, that’s fine, but I can’t really respond to you in a meaningful way. So, in kind, I’ll just leave an unsubstantiated opinion of my own:

Miracles are misinterpretations or coincidences or an acceptance that something outside of our knowledge must be something supernatural.

Andy

]]> By: Bob Allen http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5571 Bob Allen Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:46:16 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5571 Obviously, Mr/Ms t - your Theism is getting in the way of seeing Reality.  And that's too bad - because Reality is SO Beautiful - when it's not all mucked up with peddlers of Theism Obviously, Mr/Ms t – your Theism is getting in the way of seeing Reality.  And that’s too bad – because Reality is SO Beautiful – when it’s not all mucked up with peddlers of Theism

]]> By: t http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5570 t Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:34:23 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5570 I bet everyone of you who wrote a comment have never and probably will never experience a miracle or the true knowledge of Jesus Christ and God. How sad that must be for all of you. Just because you have not experienced something or the majority have not seen or no tangible proof of something doesn't mean that is is not probable or plausible. It simply means that most people have limited thinking and are very ignorant to the truth. Miracles are not myths and are happening everyday and everywhere you just have to open your eyes, mind and heart to them. I bet everyone of you who wrote a comment have never and probably will never experience a miracle or the true knowledge of Jesus Christ and God. How sad that must be for all of you. Just because you have not experienced something or the majority have not seen or no tangible proof of something doesn’t mean that is is not probable or plausible. It simply means that most people have limited thinking and are very ignorant to the truth. Miracles are not myths and are happening everyday and everywhere you just have to open your eyes, mind and heart to them.

]]> By: kelly http://www.dbskeptic.com/2010/02/07/jesus-miracles-religious-myth-and-biblical-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-5549 kelly Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:16:18 +0000 http://www.dbskeptic.com/?p=1889#comment-5549 It is a historical fact that men wrote the books that eventually came to be compiled in the bible. Men also decided that certain books did not fit their ideology and would not be included. Again it was men who decided that the words they chose to be compiled were the words of god...it was also men who punished everyone who would not allow themselves to be converted to man's religion. It is a historical fact that men wrote the books that eventually came to be compiled in the bible. Men also decided that certain books did not fit their ideology and would not be included. Again it was men who decided that the words they chose to be compiled were the words of god…it was also men who punished everyone who would not allow themselves to be converted to man’s religion.

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